Wisconsin Carry

School Grounds Carry Bill

by Andy on January 15, 2016

Where's My Gun?Sharing from: Carry Wisconsin’s President, Nik Clark

There is a LOT of support out there for the School Grounds carry bill.

It is currently a felony if you drop off or pick up your kids from school while armed.  EVEN though Federal law allows CCL holders to go on school grounds, Wisconsin’s own Gun Free School Zone law was passed when we didn’t have concealed carry so it never included that exception.  That’s a shame.

This law has made law-abiding citizens FELONS.  Check out the following media report about a law-abiding grandfather and CCL holder who is now a convicted felon, barred from having a gun, because he went to his grandson’s school and didn’t realize you have to disarm before you cross the invisible line:

http://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/proposed-bill-would-allow-guns-on-wisconsins-school-grounds

This is especially infuriating knowing that we have repeat criminals in Milwaukee who commit FELONY car theft and the courts plea-bargain it down to MISDEMEANOR “operating without owners consent”.  Criminals get special treatment and law-abiding citizens get the BOOK thrown at them.  If this doesn’t make you angry it should.

NOW we have word that the bill introduced by Senator Mary Lazich, may not get a vote in the ASSEMBLY controlled by Robin Vos.

PLEASE call your legislators and ask them to support the “school grounds carry bill”.  Ask them if they will co-sponsor/co-author the bill.  IF YOU GET A RESPONSE email me and let me know.  We are keeping track of legislators positions.

Find your legislators using this link: http://maps.legis.wisconsin.gov/

MORE IMPORTANTLY.  Robin Vos is the SPEAKER OF THE ASSEMBLY.  In a news report the other night he indicated he probably wasn’t going to give the bill a vote in the assembly.

Call and email ROBIN VOS and ask him to bring the “School Grounds Carry Bill” for a vote IF (After) it passes the senate.

Representative Robin Vos:  608-266-9171

Rep.Vos@legis.wisconsin.gov

Carry On,

Nik Clark
Chairman/President – Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
nik@wisconsincarry.org
www.wisconsincarry.org
www.facebook.com/wisconsincarry

Concealed Wisconsin is in agreement with Wisconsin Carry and supports the rights of all law abiding citizens to carry anytime they feel the need to, with or without the permission slip handed out by the state. However, we must deal with laws we currently have, and under those laws law abiding citizen’s rights are being infringed on when they pick up or drop of their child from school. Possible charges include a felony! Just for entering a school zone without disarming yourself, you would lose your right to own a firearm, vote, keep your job, etc. Meanwhile, in Milwaukee, gun crimes go unpunished, murders continue, and thugs keep carrying.

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Open CarryMy post on Thursday, regarding the 2 men openly carrying AR-15 rifles at a farmers market in Appleton, WI has received a lot of attention. Over 2,500 people viewed the post and there were more than 225 comments and replies on the thread.


The comments were a mixture of both supporters and critiques of the 2 men. Radio stations and TV news have been talking about the incident and some have called for more gun control as a result, while others took not of the legal right to openly carry in Wisconsin.

Weighing in on NewsRadio 620 KTMJ is Sheriff Clarke who suggested that the actions of these 2 men may have set back the efforts of Gun proponents in a “look at me moment.”  Clarke acknowledges their right to carry openly, but questions their motivations and said their actions, “hurt the movement,” referring to the pro-gun movement.

Listen to Clarke’s interview here:

Clark closed the interview by saying, “This whole thing could have been prevented by these 2 clowns using their heads.”

Sheriff Clarke

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Question from subscriber:

I was wondering if you can give me some information?  Where can someone get the rules for the concealed carry laws?

A friend of mine is asking me, “if you have a concealed carry license and you’ve put a restraining order on someone — if they come on your property and you feel threatened, can you pull your firearm out so they are aware your armed?”

~ Subscriber

My Response:

First, I’m not a lawyer and your friend should get legal counsel ASAP. They should tell the police that they have a fear that the restraining order may be broken.


Here is my OPINION –

You don’t brandish your gun, ever. You’ll give away a tactical advantage by doing so and it can certainly get you arrested if the person says you pointed a gun at them – it would be your word against theirs – and the cop may just arrest you both and let the courts decide.

If legal, always keep your gun concealed – but accessible, until you feel like you have NO OTHER options to flee, avoid, or walk away. The only time it should leave your holster is if you intend to use it to cause death or great bodily harm. It should always be your last option used. Remember, you have to live with killing someone for the rest of your life.

Guns are self defense tools, not deterrents to crime. Sure, there are videos on YouTube where the bad guy fled because he saw a gun, but that is the exception to the rule.

If you show your gun to scare a bad guy off or fire a warning shot in the air or into the ground, you only escalated the situation and opened yourself up to legal issues or worse.  If you carry a gun, you need to be prepared to use it to stop the threat. That may mean wounding or killing another person.  If you’re not able to make that decision in a crisis, your gun could be taken away from you and used against you or the bad guy could produce a weapon of his own and shoot you first.

If you or your friend have a license to carry, you should have already taken a course that explained the legal use of force. If you used your hunter’s certificate to get your license – GO GET TRAINING!

At a minimum, get a book and read the section on “The Legal Use of Force.”  I recommend: Concealed Carry and Home Defense Fundamentals by Michael Martin.

If someone has a restraining order and they fear that the individual being restrained may break the restraining order, there is definitely a potential for a violent encounter.

Your friend needs to think in terms of what if scenarios.

What if he comes to my yard?
– can I flee?
– can I call police?
– can I get inside and lock the door?
– what if he starts moving towards me rapidly or in anger?
– do I have kids or other people to protect?

What if he starts breaking through the door?
– are police on the phone?
– am I willing to shoot if he breaches the door?
– do I have kids or others to protect?

What if I’m at the store or in public?
– can I flee?
– can I call police?
– will others intervene?
– do I have kids or others to protect?

What if I’m in a car?
– can I flee?
– can I call police?
– can I drive to a police station?
– do I have kids or others to protect?

There are no perfect scenarios, so no one can’t tell you when to run, hide or shoot. Everyone needs to determine that for themselves based on the current conditions. Remember, you may only have milliseconds to decide what to do! That is why people who carry a gun need to predetermine their personal unlock codes – what they will do if…

Example:
If THIS happens, I will do THIS. If THAT happens, I will do THAT.

Cognitive training is as important as physical training. Play the scenarios in your head cognitively and practice them physically in private with an unloaded gun, knife or other weapon.  Be sure to practice your draw technique from different positions. Practice getting away fast – rapid retreats backwards, upstairs, locking doors. Practice verbal commands, “STOP!”, “HELP!”, “DON’T TOUCH ME!”, “GET BACK!” Get to the range and fire off at least 100-200 rds. in the gun you intend to carry!

If you do have an encounter requiring you to shoot, you’ll likely be tried like George Zimmerman and the prosecutor will try to convict you for murder.

If you draw your weapon, fire your weapon, shoot at or hit someone while shooting your weapon – what should you do?

Step 1 – If you have an encounter, call the police and give only factual information.
– I was attacked by __________ they have a restraining order.
– I am located at
– I am wearing _____________ and have a gun. Don’t shoot me!
– The weapon used against me was __________
– I am licensed to carry and fired 3 shots
– I need help (ambulance)
– They need help (ambulance)
– I am holding my gun on the suspect and will put it put it down when police arrive.  I will have my hands in the air.
– The attacker fled in ___________ direction. The attacker is wearing ___________.  I’m at __________ and have a gun drawn. I fear he may return. I will put my gun down when police arrive and have my hands in the air.

Don’t give more information that necessary.  Keep it simple, factual, and then SHUT UP!  Don’t talk to the police! Once they have the information necessary, get off the phone – hang up if necessary. Go to step 2.

(Keep in mind that police are coming into a dangerous situation with limited information. If they see you with a gun, you’re likely going to get shot. Put the gun down and put your hands up. Expect to be handcuffed and detained as they secure the scene. Don’t argue your rights at this point! Shut up and obey their commands.)

STOP Talking! Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. DON’T talk to Police without your lawyer!

Step 2 – Call your lawyer – tell them you’ve been in a shooting and that you’ve shot someone and need them NOW. Tell them where they can meet you. Don’t give any statements to police until they arrive. (If you carry a gun – you should have a lawyer on speed dial).

Step 3 – Call your family and tell them you’ve been involved in a shooting and police are on the way. Under NO circumstances should they talk to police or the media. Tell them to wait to hear from your lawyer before saying anything to anyone.

When police arrive – assert your rights to remain silent. When asked questions or to give a statement, say “I’m under duress and need time to process everything. I will give a statement when my lawyer arrives.”  You can point out the factual things mentioned previously, but keep in mind that any changes in your descriptions, timeline, or story will be used against you! The police are working for the prosecutor and building a case against you – they are not working for you.

I have 2 cards in my wallet – One has my lawyers information on it. The other has my rights written on it. If I’m freaked out, I can simply give the card to police and stay silent.

Below is an example card provided to USCCA Members.

Law Card

Review this video on Miranda Rights:

Never say, “I’ll kill you!” or “I’ll shoot you!” during a critical incident.

Imagine if a witness says, “Yes, moments before she shot him, I heard her say, ‘I’m going to kill you – you son of a bi-ch.’ which was then followed by 3 shots.” the jury is going to be told that you murdered him. They’d be the prosecutor’s star witness.

Be Aware and Alert | Color codes: White, Yellow, Orange, & Red by Jeff Cooper

Most people walk around ignorant of their surroundings. Potential crimes, dangers, and obstacles lay in wait for the oblivious.  Heads down, texting while walking, or talking on the phone. That describes the green color code.

Everyone should be in what is called yellow or Alert status. Not paranoid, but aware and engaged. Make eye contact with people, look around, see potential dangers and avoid them.

If you carry a gun, you should also be alert and aware of your surroundings and the people who are around you. You should maintain the Yellow or Alert color code. This should not tire you out emotionally or physically.

If you have a restraining order against a violent person – you may want to elevate to orange. Be extra careful. Avoid areas that typically would be no big deal, but you’ve got reason to believe someone may hurt you. Being in orange can be tiring or cause anxiety. It is not healthy to maintain orange.

Seek out friends or professionals to help you deal with the emotional stress. Use caution – people who are on depression or anxiety medications are being targeted by anti gun legislation and could lose their rights to carry or own a gun.

Red alert is typically the state you’re in during a critical incident. You’ll be hyper-aware and likely your training or lack-there-of will kick in to play.  You could be fleeing, calling police, diving for cover or concealment or drawing your weapon and firing – and this could be happening all at the same time.

Watch 2 videos:

Obligation of Carry

The Concealed Carry Protocol

Hopefully this gives you some things to think about as you prepare to carry your firearm everyday. There is a lot of responsibility in your hands when you carry a gun, both for yourself and others. As a concealed carry licensee, we hope to never have to take our gun out of the holster, but if it ever becomes necessary to defend ourselves in a critical incident, we want to both have a gun on us at that time and the skills to us it to stop the threat quickly and effectively.

Best of luck! Stay safe!

Train hard, carry deep, and carry often!

Andy

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Wisconsin Carry has been doing great work in the arena of both open and concealed carry – specifically keeping an eye on what’s happening around the state and providing legal assistance to individuals whose cases could affect the future success of concealed carry in Wisconsin.

They are also believe that although training is good, it shouldn’t be mandated or costly, but should be left up to the individual to decide what the right training is for them.

They have taken great initiative to offer concealed carry classes for FREE around the state.  These classes, some of them bringing hundreds of participants, have been very successful.  The new permanent rules being reviewed would eliminate these classes due to size.

Please take a moment to read the letter below and also proactively and appropriately respond to the Governors office with your own phone call, letter, or email.

Thanks!

~ Andy

Greetings in Freedom,

When Act 35 (Wisconsin’s concealed carry law) went into effect in November of last year there were “emergency rules” that were in place that defined the specific requirements of how the law would be implemented.  These rules have been in place since November 1st and are the rules under which over 120,000 concealed carry licenses have been issued.

The Department of Justice now wants to implement “permanent rules” that are different from the “emergency rules”.  Most notably, the DOJ wants to limit class size for the state mandated “training class” that one must take before they may apply for a license to 50 people or less.

A month or so ago WCI emailed a request/notification of the Department of Justice’s planned public hearings regarding the proposed permanent rules and the changes from the emergency rules.

Those public hearings were held and despite objections from a few that attended, the Department of Justice did NOT remove the “50 person limit” from the finalized permanent rules that have been submitted to Governor Walker for his final approval.

The permanent rules now sit on the Governor’s desk awaiting his approval, or rejection.

Limiting class size to 50 people would severely inhibit WCI’s ability to offer of FREE concealed carry license class to all those who seek to attend.  Many of our classes are smaller than 50 people.  Other classes in which we have access to large venues very well suited to larger classes often seat up to 200 people.

Those venue’s have theater style seating and top-notch audio-visual capabilities.  Microphones are available for attendee’s to ask questions and the instructors stick around for as long as needed afterwards to answer any other questions people have.  We believe the government should not arbitrarily limit class size to 50 people but instead leave it up to individual organizations to determine an appropriate class size depending on the venue and resources they have available.

This is our last chance to get these permanent rules changed. PLEASE take a few seconds to call, write, or email governor Walker and ask him to send the proposed permanent rules for Act 35 that would arbitrarily limit class size to 50 people back to the DOJ. Ask Governor Walker to ask the DOJ to remove the 50 person limit before resubmitting them to him for approval.

Ask Governor Walker to reject the rules on the basis of the ARBITRARY 50 person limit because that would severely reduce the capacity of Wisconsin Carry to provide free training to the number of those who are encumbered by the cost of the training mandate that Act 35 imposed.

Tell him that while we had advocated for and believe in constitutional carry, we have worked within the current training mandate to ensure that people’s right to carry won’t be infringed just because they can’t afford to pay for the state mandated class.

Tell governor Walker that as an all volunteer organization, we deserve the opportunity to maximize the efforts of our volunteer instructors by allowing the organization, NOT the state to determine based on the capacity and audio visual capabilities of a particular venue, how many people could be served in a class.

Tell governor Walker that we should be EASING restrictions and making it easier to exercise the constitutionally guaranteed human right to self-defense, not making it harder to meet the requirements of the state.

In the words of Paul Ryan a few days ago, at his speech in Waukesha “we in Wisconsin KNOW where our rights come from, they come from nature or god NOT government.” Governor Walker, PLEASE do not place yet another increasing restriction on the right to self defense which our Bill of Rights assures us is an unalienable right that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Email
govgeneral@wisconsin.gov

Mail
Office of Governor Scott Walker
115 East Capitol
Madison, WI 53702

Phone
(608) 266-1212

Carry On!

Nik Clark
Chairman/President – Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
www.wisconsincarry.org
nik@wisconsincarry.org
www.youtube.com/wisconsincarry
www.twitter.com/wisconsincarry
www.facebook.com/groups/wisconsincarry

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